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Steven Bonnell (Destiny)

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1548 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And the Arabs since then have been trying to whitewash Husseini's role. I'm not saying he was the instigator of the Holocaust, but he helped the Germans along in doing what they were doing and supported them in doing that. So this can't be removed from the fact that the Arabs, as you say, paid a price for the Holocaust, but they also participated in various ways in helping it happen.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And the Arabs since then have been trying to whitewash Husseini's role. I'm not saying he was the instigator of the Holocaust, but he helped the Germans along in doing what they were doing and supported them in doing that. So this can't be removed from the fact that the Arabs, as you say, paid a price for the Holocaust, but they also participated in various ways in helping it happen.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

And the Arabs since then have been trying to whitewash Husseini's role. I'm not saying he was the instigator of the Holocaust, but he helped the Germans along in doing what they were doing and supported them in doing that. So this can't be removed from the fact that the Arabs, as you say, paid a price for the Holocaust, but they also participated in various ways in helping it happen.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

I'll stick to the history, not the current propaganda. 1917. The Zionist movement began way before the British supported the Zionist movement for decades. In 1917, the British jumped in and issued the Balfour Declaration supporting the emergence of a Jewish national home in Palestine, which most people understood to mean eventual Jewish statehood in Palestine.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

I'll stick to the history, not the current propaganda. 1917. The Zionist movement began way before the British supported the Zionist movement for decades. In 1917, the British jumped in and issued the Balfour Declaration supporting the emergence of a Jewish national home in Palestine, which most people understood to mean eventual Jewish statehood in Palestine.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

I'll stick to the history, not the current propaganda. 1917. The Zionist movement began way before the British supported the Zionist movement for decades. In 1917, the British jumped in and issued the Balfour Declaration supporting the emergence of a Jewish national home in Palestine, which most people understood to mean eventual Jewish statehood in Palestine.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

Most people understood that in Britain and among the Zionists and among the Arabs. But the British declared the Balfour Declaration, or issued the Balfour Declaration, not only because of imperial self-interest, and this is what you're basically saying. They had imperial interests, a buffer state which would protect the Suez Canal from the East. the British also were motivated by idealism.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

Most people understood that in Britain and among the Zionists and among the Arabs. But the British declared the Balfour Declaration, or issued the Balfour Declaration, not only because of imperial self-interest, and this is what you're basically saying. They had imperial interests, a buffer state which would protect the Suez Canal from the East. the British also were motivated by idealism.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

Most people understood that in Britain and among the Zionists and among the Arabs. But the British declared the Balfour Declaration, or issued the Balfour Declaration, not only because of imperial self-interest, and this is what you're basically saying. They had imperial interests, a buffer state which would protect the Suez Canal from the East. the British also were motivated by idealism.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

This, incidentally, is how Balfour described the reasoning behind issuing the Declaration. He said the Western world, Western Christendom owes the Jews a great debt, both for giving the world and the West, if you like, social values as embodied in the Bible, social justice and all sorts of other things. And the Christian world owes the Jews because it persecuted them for 2,000 years.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

This, incidentally, is how Balfour described the reasoning behind issuing the Declaration. He said the Western world, Western Christendom owes the Jews a great debt, both for giving the world and the West, if you like, social values as embodied in the Bible, social justice and all sorts of other things. And the Christian world owes the Jews because it persecuted them for 2,000 years.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

This, incidentally, is how Balfour described the reasoning behind issuing the Declaration. He said the Western world, Western Christendom owes the Jews a great debt, both for giving the world and the West, if you like, social values as embodied in the Bible, social justice and all sorts of other things. And the Christian world owes the Jews because it persecuted them for 2,000 years.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

This debt we're now beginning to repay with the 1917 declaration favoring Zionism. But it's also worth remembering that the Jews weren't proxies or attached to the British imperial endeavor. They were happy to receive British support in 1917. And then subsequently, when the British ruled Palestine for decades, 20, 30 years, but they weren't part of the British imperial design or mission.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

This debt we're now beginning to repay with the 1917 declaration favoring Zionism. But it's also worth remembering that the Jews weren't proxies or attached to the British imperial endeavor. They were happy to receive British support in 1917. And then subsequently, when the British ruled Palestine for decades, 20, 30 years, but they weren't part of the British imperial design or mission.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

This debt we're now beginning to repay with the 1917 declaration favoring Zionism. But it's also worth remembering that the Jews weren't proxies or attached to the British imperial endeavor. They were happy to receive British support in 1917. And then subsequently, when the British ruled Palestine for decades, 20, 30 years, but they weren't part of the British imperial design or mission.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

They wanted a state for themselves. The Jews, happy to have the British support them, happy today to have the Americans support Israel. But it's not because we're stooges or extensions of American imperial interests. The British, incidentally, always described in Arab narratives of propaganda as consistent supporters of Zionism. They weren't.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

They wanted a state for themselves. The Jews, happy to have the British support them, happy today to have the Americans support Israel. But it's not because we're stooges or extensions of American imperial interests. The British, incidentally, always described in Arab narratives of propaganda as consistent supporters of Zionism. They weren't.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

They wanted a state for themselves. The Jews, happy to have the British support them, happy today to have the Americans support Israel. But it's not because we're stooges or extensions of American imperial interests. The British, incidentally, always described in Arab narratives of propaganda as consistent supporters of Zionism. They weren't.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

The first British rulers in Palestine, 1917, 1920- Herbert Samuel. No, before Herbert Samuel. Samuel came in 1920. The British ruled there for three years previously, and most of the leaders, the British generals and so on who were in Palestine, were anti-Zionist. Subsequently, in the 20s and 30s, the British occasionally-

Lex Fridman Podcast
#418 โ€“ Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris

The first British rulers in Palestine, 1917, 1920- Herbert Samuel. No, before Herbert Samuel. Samuel came in 1920. The British ruled there for three years previously, and most of the leaders, the British generals and so on who were in Palestine, were anti-Zionist. Subsequently, in the 20s and 30s, the British occasionally-