Steven Bonnell (Destiny)
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first heard Mar 2024
last heard Mar 2024
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History is about Palestinian rejection. It's up to any peace deal. Over and over and over again.
You're minimizing the anti-Semitic element in Arab nationalism.
In all your books, you minimize it. No, no, no. Husseini was an anti-Semite. The leader of the Palestinian national movement in the 30s and 40s was an anti-Semite. This was one of the things which drove him and also drove him in the end. to work in Berlin for Hitler for four years, giving Nazi propaganda to the Arab world, calling on the Arabs to murder the Jews.
That's what he did in World War II. That's the leader of the Palestinian Arab National Movement. And he wasn't alone. He wasn't alone.
Ah, you agree that it exists.
Anti-Semitism.
Yeah, you've been moving from different ages, across the ages.
It's one of the elements. It's one of the elements. Binary. Yes, binary.
No, but you are thinking in terms of black and white.
Do you have your book here?
You're talking in black and white concepts when history is much grayer. Lots of things happen because of lots of reasons, not one or the other. And you don't seem to see that.
Can I ask you a question? Because it's for them to talk to. Just a very quick question. What do you think the ideal solution was on the Arab side from 47? What would they have preferred? Well, they were explicit. And then the second one, what would have happened if Jews would have lost the war in 48? What do you think would have happened to the Israeli population, Jewish population?
What do you mean by unitary and federal? I don't get that. They wanted an Arab state. They wanted Palestine to be an Arab state.
Without the word unitary, federal, they wanted Palestine as an Arab and exclusively Arab state.
Well, Hosseini, the leader of the movement, said that all the Jews who had come since 1917, and that's the majority of the Jews in Palestine in 1947, shouldn't be there. They shouldn't be citizens and they shouldn't be there.
You used the words earlier that it was supremacy and exclusivity that the Zionists... Well, I want to answer your question.
Well, no, I think- That was the Jewish fear, a second Holocaust.
What about like in 48 and 56? You really think-
I don't know if it would have been that bad, but there were pogroms across in almost every single Arab state where there were Jews living after 48, after 56, after 67. There were always pogroms. There were always flights from Jews from those countries to Israel afterward.
This is a bit of a red herring. There were pogroms in the Arab countries, in Bahrain even, where there's almost no Jews. There was a pogrom in 1947. There was a pogrom in Aleppo in 1947.
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