Steven Holloway

Do you remember when that happened for you, when you were in that position where somebody needed to hold space for you?

Did that involve actually going to people and reconciling?

Going to individuals and saying, hey, like the guy that gave you the opportunity and saying, hey, I probably didn't handle that the best way I possibly could.

Was it a conscious decision in Sentinel to upskill the people that you had?

But you've still got to build houses.

Yep.

So how do you reconcile that desire to PD yourself to fuck, but also keep the balance sheet going?

Your nephew carries your middle, your name is his middle name?

I don't know, because she also said you would give her your card when she was an active player to make sure that she had the right fuel for her body to support her rugby endeavours as well, because you were earning money that she wasn't able to access as a uni student too.

So there is a real, obviously, close connection between you two.

Which is interesting because that's almost the gap that the lads and dads group fills for you, which we've introduced Andrew Miller from Raw Coaching in, but was a brainchild of him and Pete and Nate from Maisie Harris.

So tell us a little bit about that.

Which is intimidating in itself.

Like you feel an intimidation joining a group when you're on the outside coming into a fresh group.

Yeah.

And Ruggs, Ruggs message was just be yourself.

And I'm like, what does that even, what does that even mean?

Yeah, that's my message to you today.

You said something before about not being afraid of hard work or embracing hard work.

And something like God's Own or the Coast to Coast, like you're embarking in your current season of doing difficult things.