Steven Holloway

Yeah, and I think, I guess learning those lessons

informally at an early age, perhaps has set you up for the business journey that we'll get into in the second half of this conversation.

But interesting that those building blocks are there.

I don't know.

We had some steps that we could have.

Have you always had the gift of the gab?

The ability to spin a yarn and to be, I wouldn't say persuasive, but to tell a good story?

Yeah.

And it's the authenticity of it that makes it pop.

And we've jumped some steps into understanding who, learning to understand who you are.

So let's

Can we just pause before we get to the rough COVID times?

Because you strike me as a guy, energetic, wants to get things going.

So when you get into Sentinel, I imagine, tell me if I'm wrong, your first instinct is to rip in and start building as quickly as you can.

But listening to you, you've also understanding, having to understand the processes and work within the guidelines.

So is that a tension within you to try and slow yourself down?

Again, because there'll be people that are living this right now, that are listening and living this right now.

And from the outside looking in, and I've never swung a hammer in my life, but it's a pretty masculine, quote unquote, masculine industry that you work in.

So I imagine...

And, again, I know mates in construction and these sort of things have come in, but it's probably not an environment where you want to show maybe some of those frailties or weaknesses and maybe that's your ego talking about it again.