Steven Holloway

Just if it's a reason for you to want to change school or people in your network that want to change school, it sounds like you said there's a bit of bullying, but I feel like there's levels to it in that.

All the time?

Or did it peak and fluctuate?

And it's compounded too because you go into the building industry and as I understand it, your dad was a builder as well?

Yep, yep, 100%.

So 15, 16, you get into the workforce full time?

which is not a skill I don't think anybody really, unless you're a poet, uses outside of high school.

I flat refused.

There's been no use for haiku in my life.

I couldn't even pick a haiku out now.

I know a limerick.

Is that someone within or on that first sight taking you under their wing and maybe seeing a kid that needs a little bit of a hand up maybe?

Yeah, so he was teaching me that stuff.

I wondered about that.

I wondered whether it's sometimes a gesture as simple as here's a pie and a V at Smoko.

100%.

I respect that hustle.

I had some kids come around the neighbourhood the other day on the weekend knocking at the door and saying, we're doing car wash, we're going around the neighbourhood car wash for 15 bucks.

And I was like, yes, definitely.

Come back next weekend and wash our cars.