Steven Holloway

There is something to be said for the interaction element of business as well, right?

Like you can't just do everything via screen, or can you?

Travel does take up a lot of time, doesn't it?

It's never straightforward.

I mean, I'm thinking about the World Cup element to it of like, yeah, we get on a plane to Auckland, we'll land in LA and then we'll record the next day.

It's like, man, that's going to be, even that is going to be an interesting exercise.

And while I am budget conscious, one of the things I would not even dream of entertaining is room share.

No, not for 22 days straight.

It's just not a thing.

Yeah, I've been saying this to a few people.

There's an interesting, like a

Validation is not the right word.

I can't think of the right word, but being on the national broadcaster brings with it mana.

I don't know if that's the right term, but it's the same thing that we've been doing the whole time.

We've dialed it up because it's got a new platform.

Oh, yeah, hugely.

I mean, the amount of people that do watch that and then go, wow, I see you're on TVNZ now.

You're doing so well.

How many of those people are 50 plus?

Oh, loads.