Steven Holloway

But I like the fact that straight after that episode, we released our episode with Nate Alley.

So you've gone from someone, a household name in New Zealand to someone who was not a household name in New Zealand.

And that episode, in my mind, stands up just as strong as the Stephen Adams one in terms of the content, in terms of the different message, in terms of the relatability, I think.

What are the percentage of people in New Zealand that are going to be an NBA star and a multi-multi-millionaire?

Not that many, I imagine, but people that have built their own business, that have got their own struggles, that sometimes have to work their own way out of the quagmire.

Like that's probably a lot more relatable to the audience.

So capturing a new audience through that, but then being able to present some awesome other stories alongside it is so cool too.

hold that kind of respect for their story and what they're going to share with us and know that.

And I think we probably, yeah, we've just slipped into this mode of being really conscious about how the stories are going to land and how the episodes are going to land and putting real thought into it.

I think this year particularly the partnership piece and who's sitting alongside that is all starting to mesh up or line up.

It's the same with the World Cup show.

There's a potential there in terms of some of the players that might not –

have had such a profile or a spotlight that are doing some cool things for us to be able to for 15 minutes a day shine a light on some of the different 26 and the cool things that they're doing and their family stories that they're carrying with them as well is really, yeah, it's a real privilege to be able to do that.

Health and safety.

Yeah.

Is that sort of like us focusing on building the best podcast we possibly can?

But...

There is something to be said for the interaction element of business as well, right?

Like you can't just do everything via screen, or can you?

Travel does take up a lot of time, doesn't it?