Steven Holloway

Yeah.

Stop smelling our own bullshit.

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What can you say about that whole saga, how Ian was treated, that trip to South Africa?

If someone knocked on your door, would you be open to going back in the camp?

I honestly don't know.

This week on Between Two Bears, we talk to Darren Shand.

Darren is the longest serving manager in All Blacks history.

20 years in the role, 256 tests, four World Cup campaigns, back-to-back titles in 2011 and 2015.

He worked alongside Graeme Henry, Steve Hansen, Wayne Smith and Ian Foster, and now runs his own high-performance consultancy, Winning Teams.

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Darren Shand, welcome to Between Two Bears.

We're very excited to have you in the One New Zealand studio in Hamilton this morning.