Steven Holloway

Another great name on the list.

Yeah, great human.

Great New Zealander.

Did that 12 years in Queenstown, adventure tourism, rafting guide, ski instructor.

Driving the bus?

Driving the bus, yeah.

How did this link up to what you ended up being and what did you learn from AJ?

So link us up to rugby.

So how do you get into Canterbury and then into the All Blacks?

We'll be right back after this short break.

And it is a steep step up again because the next step is All Blacks manager.

So what was the time period at Canterbury and then when did you become aware of the job and did you have questions about applying and how did it all play out?

Just to timestamp, when you get the All Blacks manager job, what's that like with friends and family?

Like you're saying, hey, guys, I got a new job on the All Blacks manager.

Yeah.

We're inside the 20 years in the All Blacks now.

So there's so much to cover.

I say uniquely placed a lot, but you are.

So I'm keen to talk about a few specific tournaments and some coaches and some players.

But to start with 2007, the Rugby World Cup quarterfinal loss to France.