Steven

So what advice, based on your experience in that moment, would you give to your kids about living an authentic life and lying?

So what advice, based on your experience in that moment, would you give to your kids about living an authentic life and lying?

I think about that just in day-to-day interactions, that it's like it's easier to have the difficult conversation now versus avoiding it, and then it becomes an even more difficult situation.

I think about that just in day-to-day interactions, that it's like it's easier to have the difficult conversation now versus avoiding it, and then it becomes an even more difficult situation.

That must be quite a challenge still for you today because, you know, you now go on podcasts, you interview, talk about what happened in your life and you, there's a lot of things that you did that are hard to say, but you're also battling with this new reality of being honest about everything.

That must be quite a challenge still for you today because, you know, you now go on podcasts, you interview, talk about what happened in your life and you, there's a lot of things that you did that are hard to say, but you're also battling with this new reality of being honest about everything.

Fuck you. You eventually get released on bail after that first arrest, which I think comes to a lot of people surprised because I think some people thought that you were going to be in prison for the rest of your life. But your family put up some assets to get you out on bail. That was a $350,000 bail. Right. It doesn't straighten you up.

Fuck you. You eventually get released on bail after that first arrest, which I think comes to a lot of people surprised because I think some people thought that you were going to be in prison for the rest of your life. But your family put up some assets to get you out on bail. That was a $350,000 bail. Right. It doesn't straighten you up.

Okay, so when you go out on bail, your family are basically guaranteeing... The money. The money. Right. So if you don't return from bail... They've got to sell their homes to pay my bail. They've got to get $350,000. Yes. So what you want to do is you want to get $350,000, give it to your family... Correct. ...so that you can escape the US. Correct. Okay.

Okay, so when you go out on bail, your family are basically guaranteeing... The money. The money. Right. So if you don't return from bail... They've got to sell their homes to pay my bail. They've got to get $350,000. Yes. So what you want to do is you want to get $350,000, give it to your family... Correct. ...so that you can escape the US. Correct. Okay.

And how do you plan to get that $350,000? There's a scenario comes my way...

And how do you plan to get that $350,000? There's a scenario comes my way...

Yeah, seven years. You'd been friends a long time.

Yeah, seven years. You'd been friends a long time.

And Kenny intentionally... wears a wire and pulls you into a conspiracy working with the police.

And Kenny intentionally... wears a wire and pulls you into a conspiracy working with the police.

Where they're trying to get you to potentially kidnap this woman, steal her stuff.

Where they're trying to get you to potentially kidnap this woman, steal her stuff.

Swallowed it like a pig. So you've left jail. You're out on bail. Kenny starts putting in your head this idea of potentially kidnapping or stealing from this woman. You don't know he's working for the police. And on the day of this attempted kidnap slash robbery... Correct. You're arrested. Correct. Again. Again. Again. And how does it feel the second time you're arrested? Relief again?

Swallowed it like a pig. So you've left jail. You're out on bail. Kenny starts putting in your head this idea of potentially kidnapping or stealing from this woman. You don't know he's working for the police. And on the day of this attempted kidnap slash robbery... Correct. You're arrested. Correct. Again. Again. Again. And how does it feel the second time you're arrested? Relief again?