Steven

Right.

Someone looking at the story would probably go, why didn't you, if you knew that they were onto you, if you knew that they were investigating you, following you for months and months and months, why didn't you just stop?

Someone looking at the story would probably go, why didn't you, if you knew that they were onto you, if you knew that they were investigating you, following you for months and months and months, why didn't you just stop?

I was born in 92. And in 92, that's quite a significant year for you because this is the year you were arrested. Correct, yeah. What happened that day? Take me into that day when you were arrested by the police department.

I was born in 92. And in 92, that's quite a significant year for you because this is the year you were arrested. Correct, yeah. What happened that day? Take me into that day when you were arrested by the police department.

So did you think you were going to jail for the rest of your life at that point?

So did you think you were going to jail for the rest of your life at that point?

You know, when you say you're going to work with anxiety and fear, earlier on you said you weren't scared of being arrested. I wasn't scared of being arrested.

You know, when you say you're going to work with anxiety and fear, earlier on you said you weren't scared of being arrested. I wasn't scared of being arrested.

It's funny when you describe being arrested and you reference it almost like it was your moment of freedom.

It's funny when you describe being arrested and you reference it almost like it was your moment of freedom.

Obviously, most people can't relate because they've never been in such a situation where they've been like arrested. But I think to some degree, people can relate with the feeling of living a life that's like inauthentic to them and then something happening which forces them to course correct.

Obviously, most people can't relate because they've never been in such a situation where they've been like arrested. But I think to some degree, people can relate with the feeling of living a life that's like inauthentic to them and then something happening which forces them to course correct.

So what advice, based on your experience in that moment, would you give to your kids about living an authentic life and lying?

So what advice, based on your experience in that moment, would you give to your kids about living an authentic life and lying?

I think about that just in day-to-day interactions, that it's like it's easier to have the difficult conversation now versus avoiding it, and then it becomes an even more difficult situation.

I think about that just in day-to-day interactions, that it's like it's easier to have the difficult conversation now versus avoiding it, and then it becomes an even more difficult situation.

That must be quite a challenge still for you today because, you know, you now go on podcasts, you interview, talk about what happened in your life and you, there's a lot of things that you did that are hard to say, but you're also battling with this new reality of being honest about everything.

That must be quite a challenge still for you today because, you know, you now go on podcasts, you interview, talk about what happened in your life and you, there's a lot of things that you did that are hard to say, but you're also battling with this new reality of being honest about everything.

Fuck you. You eventually get released on bail after that first arrest, which I think comes to a lot of people surprised because I think some people thought that you were going to be in prison for the rest of your life. But your family put up some assets to get you out on bail. That was a $350,000 bail. Right. It doesn't straighten you up.