Steven

Because she might come to me and say, do you know what? I understand your point and I'm sorry. And there's part of me that just feels like shit. It's because I thought that's the outcome I was looking for. But actually the outcome I was looking for was resolution. And I actually love this person so much that a concession was not like, was actually not, it's not what I wanted.

I actually wanted to be happy with them.

I actually wanted to be happy with them.

So I had to, you know, I was thinking of some recent examples where my girlfriend came to me and apologized for something, where we were like disagreeing about it. And I just felt like shit that she apologized. Yeah.

So I had to, you know, I was thinking of some recent examples where my girlfriend came to me and apologized for something, where we were like disagreeing about it. And I just felt like shit that she apologized. Yeah.

I have two glasses on the floor here.

I have two glasses on the floor here.

Try not to spill it. Nice. Since I've been a waiter. So I have these two glasses of water in front of me. I know there's an analogy you have for having a good effective conversation that can be demonstrated with these two glasses of water.

Try not to spill it. Nice. Since I've been a waiter. So I have these two glasses of water in front of me. I know there's an analogy you have for having a good effective conversation that can be demonstrated with these two glasses of water.

So what's like a real world example of this idea that you might not be talking to Stephen, you might be talking to something he's dealing with?

So what's like a real world example of this idea that you might not be talking to Stephen, you might be talking to something he's dealing with?

horrible habit of thinking for some reason that if i say it to you right in this moment it's all going to change and you're going to just immediately conform to what i want you to be being triggered is a hallmark of that isn't it like being when we sell the car they're like easily triggered it's really you're scratching at an open wound that might have been there many years ago i was reflecting as you were speaking about a particular friend that i have

horrible habit of thinking for some reason that if i say it to you right in this moment it's all going to change and you're going to just immediately conform to what i want you to be being triggered is a hallmark of that isn't it like being when we sell the car they're like easily triggered it's really you're scratching at an open wound that might have been there many years ago i was reflecting as you were speaking about a particular friend that i have

who I remember a conversation with him in the middle of the pandemic where he like turned to me and said, it's people that are young and healthy that are ending up in hospital beds. And I remember saying to him, I was like, I was living in his house.

who I remember a conversation with him in the middle of the pandemic where he like turned to me and said, it's people that are young and healthy that are ending up in hospital beds. And I remember saying to him, I was like, I was living in his house.

I was like, no, I don't think that, I think the NHS website says it's people that are like out of shape and slightly older that are ending up in hospital beds. And he like was like really, really triggered by that. And I remember he's like a good friend of mine. So we had a conversation about it. And we dug and dug and dug, because we're, like, really good friends.

I was like, no, I don't think that, I think the NHS website says it's people that are like out of shape and slightly older that are ending up in hospital beds. And he like was like really, really triggered by that. And I remember he's like a good friend of mine. So we had a conversation about it. And we dug and dug and dug, because we're, like, really good friends.

Like, why is it that all of us as, like, boys, we know in, like, the group chat when we're bantering, all we've got to do is say, like, now you're wrong. Wait, one more thing. One thing. And it's, like, Red Mist. Yeah. And we had, like, a really open conversation about it over, really over the last, like, year and a half. And he said... When I was younger, all of the teachers thought I was stupid.

Like, why is it that all of us as, like, boys, we know in, like, the group chat when we're bantering, all we've got to do is say, like, now you're wrong. Wait, one more thing. One thing. And it's, like, Red Mist. Yeah. And we had, like, a really open conversation about it over, really over the last, like, year and a half. And he said... When I was younger, all of the teachers thought I was stupid.

And also, I then got bullied on the playground because people thought I was stupid. And then I found text messages from my grandmother to my mum where they said I was stupid. And then I found on my report card... They'd basically written me off. So 30 years later, when we're having a conversation, just a trivial conversation about the pandemic, when I go, no, I don't think that's right.