Steven

What about when you're dealing with someone that you don't like?

A lot of life is like that, right?

A lot of life is like that, right?

It's hard, though, isn't it? Because your body responds. It is hard. Your body starts to give it away.

It's hard, though, isn't it? Because your body responds. It is hard. Your body starts to give it away.

What about the subject of small talk, which we all, I mean, I think most people hate small talk. I especially don't like small talk, but many people hate small talk. Is there a skill at all to being a real master of small talk in your view?

What about the subject of small talk, which we all, I mean, I think most people hate small talk. I especially don't like small talk, but many people hate small talk. Is there a skill at all to being a real master of small talk in your view?

You talk about these conversational goals. Yeah. Having a conversational goal in your small talk. You talk about that on page, I think, 45 and 46 of this book. Yeah. So as a conversational goal, I'm a podcaster. I know I'm meeting you today. So I walk in here with a goal in mind that when I start speaking to you, I'm trying to get somewhere. Right. Is that what you mean by conversational goal?

You talk about these conversational goals. Yeah. Having a conversational goal in your small talk. You talk about that on page, I think, 45 and 46 of this book. Yeah. So as a conversational goal, I'm a podcaster. I know I'm meeting you today. So I walk in here with a goal in mind that when I start speaking to you, I'm trying to get somewhere. Right. Is that what you mean by conversational goal?

Well, there's two separate sides.

Well, there's two separate sides.

I didn't really do anything. What are the things that you admire the most in some of the peers you have as a trial attorney? Is there a particular trial attorney that you admire the most through history or through that you've encountered? And if so, what is it about them that you admire so much?

I didn't really do anything. What are the things that you admire the most in some of the peers you have as a trial attorney? Is there a particular trial attorney that you admire the most through history or through that you've encountered? And if so, what is it about them that you admire so much?

Do you think there's an element of like spirituality or religion that,

Do you think there's an element of like spirituality or religion that,

somewhat ties into this i was thinking of like the buddhist philosophies of and just various religious and spiritual philosophies of like forgiveness and um taking the higher ground and right an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind i agree yeah i mean mine is be quick to listen slow to speak same thing i mean if you look at the bible book of james is full

somewhat ties into this i was thinking of like the buddhist philosophies of and just various religious and spiritual philosophies of like forgiveness and um taking the higher ground and right an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind i agree yeah i mean mine is be quick to listen slow to speak same thing i mean if you look at the bible book of james is full

That can make the difference. And what does that process, that journey look like? Because some people will think, right, I've listened to this podcast now and I've got the tips, the strategies, I've got some of the big picture ideas, but I'll implement that. I took notes, et cetera, et cetera.

That can make the difference. And what does that process, that journey look like? Because some people will think, right, I've listened to this podcast now and I've got the tips, the strategies, I've got some of the big picture ideas, but I'll implement that. I took notes, et cetera, et cetera.

But then next week, their spouse rolls in, starts shouting at them, whatever, colleague at work triggers them, whatever, and they just revert back and they go, fuck it. Yeah. What is that?