Steven

But it just, it almost sounded unbelievable that someone with such a big smile on their face would whisper to me, especially a man, because men don't really talk much about their emotions. I'm in so much pain.

But it just, it almost sounded unbelievable that someone with such a big smile on their face would whisper to me, especially a man, because men don't really talk much about their emotions. I'm in so much pain.

And then funnily, I then see how the world treats that individual, him having whispered that to me one day and the world, how the world responds to his behavior and attacks him and criticizes him. But I was privy to the whisper. And that one whisper helped me to kind of reframe how to treat that person, but also really what was at the heart of what was going on.

And then funnily, I then see how the world treats that individual, him having whispered that to me one day and the world, how the world responds to his behavior and attacks him and criticizes him. But I was privy to the whisper. And that one whisper helped me to kind of reframe how to treat that person, but also really what was at the heart of what was going on.

Because I would have been like the rest of the world. I would have just thought, oh, what an idiot. What a dickhead. What's he doing that? That's strange behavior.

Because I would have been like the rest of the world. I would have just thought, oh, what an idiot. What a dickhead. What's he doing that? That's strange behavior.

You must have had many cases that broke your heart.

You must have had many cases that broke your heart.

Can you tell me about one that changed you?

Can you tell me about one that changed you?

If you were president of the United States, for example, let's just use this country as an example, and you had to make upstream changes to the way society was designed in order to mitigate the downstream symptom of addiction, addictive behaviours, etc. What are those things that you would change about the way that our society is designed? You could change anything.

If you were president of the United States, for example, let's just use this country as an example, and you had to make upstream changes to the way society was designed in order to mitigate the downstream symptom of addiction, addictive behaviours, etc. What are those things that you would change about the way that our society is designed? You could change anything.

It reminds me of Rat Park.

It reminds me of Rat Park.

What is Rat Park for those that don't know?

What is Rat Park for those that don't know?

Many of us are living in the first model of Rat Park.

Many of us are living in the first model of Rat Park.

We're living alone. We're living in these big cities. We're more sedentary than ever before. Maybe, you know, we've moved to a big city because we don't have, which means we don't have our family around. We might be doing a job that's incredibly challenging.

We're living alone. We're living in these big cities. We're more sedentary than ever before. Maybe, you know, we've moved to a big city because we don't have, which means we don't have our family around. We might be doing a job that's incredibly challenging.