Steven

Because so many people, like their intuition is trying to say something to them and maybe they like gaslight themselves and tell themselves or other people tell them to sort of dim down that internal voice. But how have you learned to get that conviction to act upon feeling?

Have you thought much about, as you look back through your career, and now you have the clarity of hindsight, how important the size of one's dreams are? Because I imagine that if you spoke to that Emma, now you'd be like, listen, go fucking out. Dream fucking bigger.

Have you thought much about, as you look back through your career, and now you have the clarity of hindsight, how important the size of one's dreams are? Because I imagine that if you spoke to that Emma, now you'd be like, listen, go fucking out. Dream fucking bigger.

And I think it was when I heard about how WeWork took investment in the back of a car from, what's his name, Sun something, from SoftBank, the big billionaire investor. And he gave the WeWork founder a billion dollar check and said, you know, the only problem with you is you don't dream big enough. He'd just given him a billion dollars and he was criticising him for not asking for more.

And I think it was when I heard about how WeWork took investment in the back of a car from, what's his name, Sun something, from SoftBank, the big billionaire investor. And he gave the WeWork founder a billion dollar check and said, you know, the only problem with you is you don't dream big enough. He'd just given him a billion dollars and he was criticising him for not asking for more.

And as I reflect back through my career, I go, Jesus Christ, like so many moments I like undersold myself because I just couldn't see it. I didn't have the friends.

And as I reflect back through my career, I go, Jesus Christ, like so many moments I like undersold myself because I just couldn't see it. I didn't have the friends.

But still, like, listen, this guy walked away with a billion dollars.

But still, like, listen, this guy walked away with a billion dollars.

He's just raised 250 million.

He's just raised 250 million.

The thing that it put in my mind was actually that, you know, that whole adage of like aim for the cloud, like aim for the stars and you'll land on the clouds or whatever. I was like, there's truth to this idea of just like aiming higher.

The thing that it put in my mind was actually that, you know, that whole adage of like aim for the cloud, like aim for the stars and you'll land on the clouds or whatever. I was like, there's truth to this idea of just like aiming higher.

One of the things you said over and over again as well when talking about building business is hiring and how important that is to you. It's taken me a long time, longer than I would have liked, to realise the importance of hiring. In my first business, I think it was an afterthought.

One of the things you said over and over again as well when talking about building business is hiring and how important that is to you. It's taken me a long time, longer than I would have liked, to realise the importance of hiring. In my first business, I think it was an afterthought.

I thought most important things are if I work seven days a week and I don't leave this office and I have good ideas, we'll be good.

I thought most important things are if I work seven days a week and I don't leave this office and I have good ideas, we'll be good.

Not scalable. Yeah. Yeah, you learn the hard way. You learn the hard way because you start hiring your friends and you go off vibes, etc. So the hiring advice that you needed at the start of your career that would have helped you to make less mistakes. What is that advice?

Not scalable. Yeah. Yeah, you learn the hard way. You learn the hard way because you start hiring your friends and you go off vibes, etc. So the hiring advice that you needed at the start of your career that would have helped you to make less mistakes. What is that advice?

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