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Yeah. My question really is about what role did race play in your childhood? Because I think about my own childhood and it's quite a prominent persuasive force in who I became and what I thought about the world and really what I thought about myself. So race is an issue as young people in Chicago. What role did it play?

Yeah. My question really is about what role did race play in your childhood? Because I think about my own childhood and it's quite a prominent persuasive force in who I became and what I thought about the world and really what I thought about myself. So race is an issue as young people in Chicago. What role did it play?

Yeah, yeah. For anyone that doesn't have context on white flight, what is white flight?

Yeah, yeah. For anyone that doesn't have context on white flight, what is white flight?

How do you stop it getting to you? One of the remarkable things I noticed, even when we spent some time together yesterday, was... There is no apparent bitterness. And there's, one would say that there's reason to be, because when you're so powerful and so prominent and so well-known, you're exposed to everything.

How do you stop it getting to you? One of the remarkable things I noticed, even when we spent some time together yesterday, was... There is no apparent bitterness. And there's, one would say that there's reason to be, because when you're so powerful and so prominent and so well-known, you're exposed to everything.

And going through that experience in those early years and then going through everything that happened thereafter, there doesn't appear to be any bitterness. There doesn't appear to be any chip on the shoulder, any anger.

And going through that experience in those early years and then going through everything that happened thereafter, there doesn't appear to be any bitterness. There doesn't appear to be any chip on the shoulder, any anger.

What would they say back?

What would they say back?

Being underestimated. It's a word that I saw throughout your book and it's a word you mentioned a second ago. You knew you were going into an underestimated world, if I can call it that, a world that was going to underestimate you because of your race and things like that. But it's so clear to me that you had your shoulders back regardless. And I spoke to Valerie.

Being underestimated. It's a word that I saw throughout your book and it's a word you mentioned a second ago. You knew you were going into an underestimated world, if I can call it that, a world that was going to underestimate you because of your race and things like that. But it's so clear to me that you had your shoulders back regardless. And I spoke to Valerie.

Of course you know Valerie. You've worked with Valerie for many decades. She was sort of an early mental figure in your life, Michelle. Yes, she was. And she actually wrote me a letter about you. She describes that...

Of course you know Valerie. You've worked with Valerie for many decades. She was sort of an early mental figure in your life, Michelle. Yes, she was. And she actually wrote me a letter about you. She describes that...

She's never met someone in her life that was so clear on what they wanted to achieve in the world in terms of the social good and the impact they wanted to have, but was so unbelievably confident and high conviction. And when I think about when you went to Harvard and studied law, there was what 30% of the people attending were women and then a tinier percentage were black women.

She's never met someone in her life that was so clear on what they wanted to achieve in the world in terms of the social good and the impact they wanted to have, but was so unbelievably confident and high conviction. And when I think about when you went to Harvard and studied law, there was what 30% of the people attending were women and then a tinier percentage were black women.

And you were aware again of being underestimated, but again, shoulders back, it seemed. Where does that come from in you?

And you were aware again of being underestimated, but again, shoulders back, it seemed. Where does that come from in you?

What's the scam?

What's the scam?