Stig Abel
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first heard Sep 2024
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Anyway, let's discuss someone that has been on our show. Some interesting murmurs about a potential new progressive party broke out over the weekend. The Guardian reports that a number of influential British lefties, including Jeremy Corbyn, filmmaker Ken Loach, Unite director Len McCluskey, held a private meeting to discuss a new party called Collective.
I mean, yeah, it's really interesting. I mean, I do wonder, though, you know, if there's an issue about splitting the left.
Yeah. Also, I feel sorry for the Greens a little bit. Imagine them reading this being like, excuse me, a new party? You haven't even given us a real go.
Yeah, in this parliament, sure. But when we go to a general election, if you have all these multiple parties, what will that mean then?
Well, we'll definitely be keeping an eye on it, that is for sure. Now, after the break, we're joined by a very special guest to find out what Keir Starmer's been up to in Italy this week.
So Keir Starmer, all dressed up in a green tie and one of his fancy pairs of glasses, has been on a state visit to Italy this week to meet Giorgio Maloney, the Italian Prime Minister. The main reason for the visit was to learn from Italy's immigration plans, which has cut small boat crossings in the Mediterranean by almost two thirds in the past year, from 118,000 to 44,500.
So can you break down what exactly Italy has been doing to deter irregular immigration that means Starmer seeks the advice of Georgia Maloney?
And what is the Albania deal?
Yeah, I know you're saying it's different, but I mean, it doesn't seem that different. I mean, like the general public was against the Rwanda plan. I mean, surely something like this they would be against as well. It's not different enough.
So Zoe, you put a lot of effort into trying to rebalance all the myths and disinformation really about migrants. And I noticed that you're on TikTok. I follow you on there. You are truly doing the Lord's work. Thanks, I hate it. Pretty negatively. you received some pretty negative reactions. Why do you do this work on social media?
Why is it better to be out there than trying to be on mainstream media? I know you do do a lot of that, but I just find it interesting in terms of like directly reaching the public.
It is incredible to me how little people know about other countries. I know it sounds weird. I was having a conversation, one of those like uncomfortable conversations you have to have because it's a holiday and someone's brought their in-laws and whatever, and you sort of begrudgingly have this conversation.
And I remember talking to someone and they said this line being like, I just don't understand why they come here. Why can't they stay in their own countries? And I'm like, well, because their own country's in war, for example. Well, then they should get that sorted then. They should stay there and sort it out.
You know at this moment we're being like, wow, you really know very little about how it is in other countries. And how do you expect them to sort it out?
And you have this moment being like, well, what do you think will happen? You know, some of these places are not functioning. Democracy is like, you know, dealing with militias with guns.
Good migrants, bad migrants, human or not?
Well, it's the old escape goat in the book, right? And, you know, in times of economic downturn and, you know, let's be honest, government mismanagement, government ideologically pursuing an agenda of neoliberalism and giving favours to millionaires and billionaires and so on, who better to blame than the migrants?
Do you think we can actually ever have a good conversation about migration without talking about rebalancing the economic gap in Britain?
Well, Zoe Gardner, thank you for joining us on Pod Save the UK. And seriously, do check out her work on social media. It is very, very good. We will put a link in our show notes or you can just search the name. Thank you so much.
Now, last week, we invited you all to send in your ideas for unpopular policies that might make the UK a better place for all of us. And you've responded in your droves. We're very grateful for it.
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