Stig Abel

Why is it better to be out there than trying to be on mainstream media? I know you do do a lot of that, but I just find it interesting in terms of like directly reaching the public.

Why is it better to be out there than trying to be on mainstream media? I know you do do a lot of that, but I just find it interesting in terms of like directly reaching the public.

It is incredible to me how little people know about other countries. I know it sounds weird. I was having a conversation, one of those like uncomfortable conversations you have to have because it's a holiday and someone's brought their in-laws and whatever, and you sort of begrudgingly have this conversation.

It is incredible to me how little people know about other countries. I know it sounds weird. I was having a conversation, one of those like uncomfortable conversations you have to have because it's a holiday and someone's brought their in-laws and whatever, and you sort of begrudgingly have this conversation.

And I remember talking to someone and they said this line being like, I just don't understand why they come here. Why can't they stay in their own countries? And I'm like, well, because their own country's in war, for example. Well, then they should get that sorted then. They should stay there and sort it out.

And I remember talking to someone and they said this line being like, I just don't understand why they come here. Why can't they stay in their own countries? And I'm like, well, because their own country's in war, for example. Well, then they should get that sorted then. They should stay there and sort it out.

You know at this moment we're being like, wow, you really know very little about how it is in other countries. And how do you expect them to sort it out?

You know at this moment we're being like, wow, you really know very little about how it is in other countries. And how do you expect them to sort it out?

And you have this moment being like, well, what do you think will happen? You know, some of these places are not functioning. Democracy is like, you know, dealing with militias with guns.

And you have this moment being like, well, what do you think will happen? You know, some of these places are not functioning. Democracy is like, you know, dealing with militias with guns.

Good migrants, bad migrants, human or not?

Good migrants, bad migrants, human or not?

Well, it's the old escape goat in the book, right? And, you know, in times of economic downturn and, you know, let's be honest, government mismanagement, government ideologically pursuing an agenda of neoliberalism and giving favours to millionaires and billionaires and so on, who better to blame than the migrants?

Well, it's the old escape goat in the book, right? And, you know, in times of economic downturn and, you know, let's be honest, government mismanagement, government ideologically pursuing an agenda of neoliberalism and giving favours to millionaires and billionaires and so on, who better to blame than the migrants?

Do you think we can actually ever have a good conversation about migration without talking about rebalancing the economic gap in Britain?

Do you think we can actually ever have a good conversation about migration without talking about rebalancing the economic gap in Britain?

Well, Zoe Gardner, thank you for joining us on Pod Save the UK. And seriously, do check out her work on social media. It is very, very good. We will put a link in our show notes or you can just search the name. Thank you so much.

Well, Zoe Gardner, thank you for joining us on Pod Save the UK. And seriously, do check out her work on social media. It is very, very good. We will put a link in our show notes or you can just search the name. Thank you so much.

Now, last week, we invited you all to send in your ideas for unpopular policies that might make the UK a better place for all of us. And you've responded in your droves. We're very grateful for it.

Now, last week, we invited you all to send in your ideas for unpopular policies that might make the UK a better place for all of us. And you've responded in your droves. We're very grateful for it.