Susanna

But I think relations have just gotten so bad within Chelsea.

And that's kind of all the voice notes we've heard so far are talking about this tension between the board and the manager and the players.

And to...

Kind of caveat to Real Madrid, it was really the players that got Xabi Alonso sacked.

His win percentage was in the high 70s for Real Madrid.

He was not like, yeah, he had lost the Spanish Super Cup final against Barcelona, but he was doing a fantastic job as their coach.

But what Real Madrid need is a manager who will do exactly what Florentina at the top of Real Madrid want and who can control a group of players who are so individually talented that you're never going to have a coherent team.

and they have so much power.

That's mad.

We're going to get to a kind of similar case in the rugby in a few minutes, but I do want to rattle through a few more of the audio clips that we got.

So this was one guy who kind of thought that it doesn't matter how you get fired at the end of the day, the buck kind of stops with the manager.

Yeah, I think he saw that with Ange Fossacoglu at Spurs.

There's a lot of kind of the cliche is, oh, he coached a 3-0 win.

The players just couldn't do it.

They were too leaky in defence and they weren't too lethal at the other end of the pitch.

And then in this modern game where results matter more than they've ever had before and there's no patience for building a system and building a culture.

you're gone, even if you've done something incredible like win the Europa League with a Tottenham side that did not deserve to win that competition.

That's why, speaking of, we were talking to Josh, the player, I was really interested in asking him, as a player, if you don't get on with your manager, is that enough of a reason for them to leave?

Or if they're a really good manager, does it not matter really about the relationship with the players because the results are there?

And his response was actually quite interesting.