Susanna

Are they called head coaches?

They're called head coaches.

But then you have a few rare cases where...

where you have a director of rugby, which is a relatively new thing.

You have it in Leinster.

So Leo Cullen, who everybody thinks of as the head coach, is actually the director of rugby, I believe.

And then, sorry, no, he is the head coach, but he doesn't do the traditional head coach roles.

Jack Nienabar, who is the director of rugby, just to make it more complicated, he does what a traditional...

head coach would do in terms of on the pitch, kind of what the players are doing, what systems they're using.

Whereas Leo Cullen does all the... I'm sure he has some control over that, but he does all the kind of media appearances and managing the business as well.

No, no, no.

I think she's right.

I just think there's a little bit less of a... A t-shirt and a tarnisher.

A little bit less of a power imbalance.

Yeah.

That was very good.

And then I think Razzy Erasmus technically also has a different title.

He's not head coach, but... It's like LinkedIn, you know.

But essentially there is no manager.

OK, because I think what we're seeing in so much in football with managers being sacked recently.