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Tamay Besiroglu

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

The question here is, once you get these automated AI researchers and you start this software singularity, your software efficiency is going to improve by many orders of magnitude, while your compute stock, at least in the short run, is going to remain fairly fixed.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So how many ohms of improvement can you get before you become bottlenecked by the second priority equation?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And once you actually factor that in, like how much progress should you expect?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

That's the kind of question.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I think people don't have โ€“ I think it's hard for people to have good intuitions about this because people usually don't run the experiments.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So you don't get to see โ€“

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

at a company level or at an industry level, what would have happened if the entire industry had 30 times less compute?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Maybe as an individual, what would happen if you had 30 times less compute?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

You might have a better idea about that, but that's a very local experiment, and you might be benefiting a lot from spillovers from other people who actually have more compute.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So because this experiment was never run, it's sort of hard to get direct evidence about the strength of complementarity.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Well, I think that is not quite the right way to do it because I think if you're talking about materials, then I think there's a lot of sense in which different materials can be substitutable for one another in different ways.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

You can't use aluminum.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I mean, aluminum is a great metal for making aircraft because it's sort of light and durable and so on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But you can imagine that you make aircraft with worse metals, and then it just takes more fuel, and it's less efficient to fly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So there's a sense in which you can compensate and just cost more.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I think it's much harder if you're talking about something like complementarity between labor and capital, complementarity between remote work and in-person work, or skilled or unskilled work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

There are input pairs for which I would expect it to be much more difficult.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

For example, you're looking at the complementarity between the quality of leadership of an army and its number of soldiers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

that there is some effect there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But if you just scale up, you just have excellent leadership, but your army only has 100 people.