Tamay Besiroglu

So they are able to – like they have quite sophisticated sensory motor skills.

I think they are actually able to do – like animals are actually able to pursue long-term goals.

I think they'd, like, they'd do slightly better.

Slightly better, but not that much better.

Like, I think a lot of the, like, again, didn't you recently have an interview?

Joseph Henrich.

Yeah.

I'm skeptical of the claims that we have actually seen that much of an acceleration in the process of R&D.

These claims seem to me like they're not borne out by the actual data I'm seeing.

So for what it's worth, when you say that A and B are complementary, you're not saying, like, just as you can't get a lot of progress, like, just as A can bottom IQ, B can also bottom IQ.

Yeah.

So when you say you need...

or compute and experiments and data, but you also need cognitive effort, like, that doesn't mean the lab who has the most compute is going to win.

Right?

Like, that's a very simple point.

Like, either one can be the bottleneck.

I mean, if you just have a really dysfunctional culture and you don't actually prioritize using your compute very well and you just waste it, well, then you're not going to make a lot of progress.

Right?

So, like, it doesn't contradict the picture that someone with a much better vision, a much better team, much better prioritization can make better use of their

compute if someone else was just bottlenecked heavily on that part of the equation.