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Tamay Besiroglu

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878 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I think the reason why there is such a big gap

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

discontinuity between animals and humans is because animals have to rely entirely on natural world data, basically, to train themselves.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like, imagine that the only thing as a human that you saw was that nobody talked to you, you didn't read anything, you just had to learn by experience, maybe to some extent by imitating other people, but you have no explicit communication.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Well, it would be very inefficient.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like what's actually happening is that you have this, I think some other people have made this point as well, is that evolution is sort of this outer optimizer that's like improving the software efficiency of the brain in a bunch of ways.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

There's some genetic knowledge that you inherit, not that much because there isn't that much space in the genome.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And then you have this lifetime learning, which is you don't actually see that much data during lifetime learning.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

A lot of this is redundant and so on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So what seems to have changed with humans compared to other animals is that humans became able to have culture.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And they have language, which enables them to, likeβ€”

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

have a much more efficient training data modality compared to animals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

They also have, I think, stronger ways in which they tend to imitate other humans and learn from their skills.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So that also enables this knowledge to be passed on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I think animals are pretty bad at that compared to humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So basically, as a human, you're just being trained on much more efficient data.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And that creates further insights to be then efficient at learning from it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And then that creates this feedback loop where

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

The selection pressure gets much more intense.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So I think that's roughly what happened with humans.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But a lot of the capabilities that you need to be like a good worker in the human economy, animals already have.