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Tamay Besiroglu

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878 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like maybe it takes six months for like a – even in a particularly difficult job for a new worker to like start being productive.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Well, that's not that long.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So I don't think that would rule out companies being able to onboard AI workers, assuming that they don't need to make a ton of new complementary innovation discoveries to take advantage.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I think one way in which current AI systems are being inhibited, and the reason we're seeing the growth maybe be slower than you might otherwise expect, is because companies in the economy are not used to working with this new technology.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

They have to rearrange the way they work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

in order to take advantage of it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But if AI systems were literally able to substitute for human workers, then, well, the complementary innovations might not be as necessary.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I think there's a first point about this very macroeconomic picture where you just expect a ton of scaling of all the relevant inputs.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I think that is the first order thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But then you might have more micro questions about, okay, how does this world actually look like?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

How is it different from a world in which we just have a lot more people and a lot more capital and a lot more ... Because it should be different.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And then I think these considerations become important.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I think another important thing is just that AIs can be aligned.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like, you get to control the preferences of your AI systems in a way that you don't really get to control the preferences of your workers.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like, your workers, you can just select.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

You don't really have any other option.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But for your AIs, you can, like, fine-tune them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

You can, like, build AI systems which have the kind of preferences that you want.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And you can imagine that's, like...