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Tamay Besiroglu

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

We're like, we still are very far

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

it seems like, from an AI model that can take a generic game of Steam, let's say you just download a game released this year, you don't know how to play this game, and then you just have to play it, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And most games are actually not that difficult for a human, like a

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

What about cloud-based Pokemon?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I don't think it was trained on Pokemon.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Right, so that's an interesting example.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

First of all, I find the example very interesting because, yeah, it was not trained explicitly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

They didn't do some RL on playing Pokemon Red, but obviously the model knows how it's supposed to play Pokemon Red because there's tons of material about Pokemon Red on the internet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

In fact, if you were playing Pokemon Red,

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

and you got stuck somewhere, you didn't know what to do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

You could probably go to Claude and ask him, like, I'm stuck in Mt.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Moon, what am I supposed to do?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And then it could probably give you a fairly decent answer.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But that doesn't stop it from getting stuck in Mt.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Moon for 48 hours.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So that's a very interesting thing where it has explicit knowledge, but then when it's actually playing the game, it doesn't behave in a way which reflects that it has that knowledge.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I mean, a lot of the skills that people have, they don't have very good training data for them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

People pay trillions of dollars for oil, but oil is not.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I don't know, it seems like a very basic point, but the fact that people pay a lot of money for something doesn't mean it's going to transform the world economy if only we manage to unhobble it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

That's a very different claim, right?