Tanya Mosley

This past weekend, under the Trump administration, the Department of Education launched a new website called NDEI, a federal tip line for reporting instances where initiatives are being implemented or taught in schools. We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is Fresh Air.

This past weekend, under the Trump administration, the Department of Education launched a new website called NDEI, a federal tip line for reporting instances where initiatives are being implemented or taught in schools. We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is Fresh Air.

I'm just curious for both of you, the toll that these rollbacks have had, because I assume you do this work because you feel like it's the right thing to do. I'll start with you, Dr. Washington.

I'm just curious for both of you, the toll that these rollbacks have had, because I assume you do this work because you feel like it's the right thing to do. I'll start with you, Dr. Washington.

I'm just curious for both of you, the toll that these rollbacks have had, because I assume you do this work because you feel like it's the right thing to do. I'll start with you, Dr. Washington.

Is there a difference generationally in how people view DEI? Like, have your students in particular in class, have they said anything about the things that are happening in the moment with President Trump's executive orders?

Is there a difference generationally in how people view DEI? Like, have your students in particular in class, have they said anything about the things that are happening in the moment with President Trump's executive orders?

Is there a difference generationally in how people view DEI? Like, have your students in particular in class, have they said anything about the things that are happening in the moment with President Trump's executive orders?

Frank Dobbin. Ella Washington, thank you all so much for your expertise in this conversation. Thank you for having me.

Frank Dobbin. Ella Washington, thank you all so much for your expertise in this conversation. Thank you for having me.

Frank Dobbin. Ella Washington, thank you all so much for your expertise in this conversation. Thank you for having me.

Ella Washington is an organizational psychologist and professor of practice at Georgetown University's McDonough School of Business. And Frank Dobbin is a professor of sociology at Harvard University. Tomorrow on Fresh Air, actor Simu Liu. He's best known for his breakout role as Shang-Chi, Marvel's first Asian superhero, and for playing a rival kin in the film Barbie.

Ella Washington is an organizational psychologist and professor of practice at Georgetown University's McDonough School of Business. And Frank Dobbin is a professor of sociology at Harvard University. Tomorrow on Fresh Air, actor Simu Liu. He's best known for his breakout role as Shang-Chi, Marvel's first Asian superhero, and for playing a rival kin in the film Barbie.

Ella Washington is an organizational psychologist and professor of practice at Georgetown University's McDonough School of Business. And Frank Dobbin is a professor of sociology at Harvard University. Tomorrow on Fresh Air, actor Simu Liu. He's best known for his breakout role as Shang-Chi, Marvel's first Asian superhero, and for playing a rival kin in the film Barbie.

Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham. Our managing producer is Sam Brigger. Our interviews and reviews are produced and edited by Phyllis Myers, Roberta Shorrock, Anne-Marie Baldonado, Lauren Krenzel, Monique Nazareth, Thea Chaloner, Susan Yakundi, and Anna Bauman. Our digital media producer is Molly C.V. Nesper.

Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham. Our managing producer is Sam Brigger. Our interviews and reviews are produced and edited by Phyllis Myers, Roberta Shorrock, Anne-Marie Baldonado, Lauren Krenzel, Monique Nazareth, Thea Chaloner, Susan Yakundi, and Anna Bauman. Our digital media producer is Molly C.V. Nesper.

Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham. Our managing producer is Sam Brigger. Our interviews and reviews are produced and edited by Phyllis Myers, Roberta Shorrock, Anne-Marie Baldonado, Lauren Krenzel, Monique Nazareth, Thea Chaloner, Susan Yakundi, and Anna Bauman. Our digital media producer is Molly C.V. Nesper.

Teresa Madden directed today's show. With Terry Gross, I'm Tanya Mosley.

Teresa Madden directed today's show. With Terry Gross, I'm Tanya Mosley.

Teresa Madden directed today's show. With Terry Gross, I'm Tanya Mosley.