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I think it was worse in that they were beginning to lose seats on

not just to reform, and they lost to reform everywhere.

Everywhere that reform stood, they lost to reform.

But they also lost seats to the Tories and even to Ed Davies' merry campers within the Liberal Democrats.

So I think they're losing both to the left and to the right.

And I think that's a real problem for Starmer, and it's a real problem for the party.

And, of course, the party will want to push Starmer further to the left as a consequence of this,

And that will mean that no one of a working class background will vote for them, which means they don't stand a chance at the next election.

Well, they did get pounded again, but there were a few glimmers of hope for them, particularly in London, where the Londoners find them a more appealing prospect as an opposition party to reform.

So in Wandsworth and Westminster, for example.

And I think some of what Kemi Badenoch's been saying has cut through.

But you're quite right, they're pounded.

And if we think about what's going to happen in the next election, you would imagine the Reform and the Conservative Party would start talking to one another.

But, you know, I got a fairly angry message from Nigel Farage this morning when I suggested this in a morning newspaper today saying, why?

Why would we?

Well, this is where Farage and I differ.

He thinks yes, obviously, because he's the leader of reform.

I think it's very difficult for them.

They've been hovering at around about 25%, 26% in the polls for a long time now.

If you project last Thursday's election figures over a national election, it's still about 26%, 27%.