Terrie Nathan
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You, I mean, you work on you first.
I think Brene Brown says it best where she's like, until you're in the arena with me.
You don't you can't tell me how to fight that lion.
You're not in the circle with me.
You're not in that arena.
And it's good advice because it's like, you know, these people are all but so get in the arena with me and then you can have an opinion.
Yeah.
And you've got to be able to block that.
Yeah.
I mean, if you can take the if you can think less about, you know, go back to car salesman.
There's nothing wrong with car salesman.
But, you know, podcasters are much worse.
We're not selling cars.
We're connecting with people.
We this is what we are doing.
We are connecting with people.
When you connect with people in the right kind of way.
It's a win-win.
But if you can take that first mindset out of it, and Apple does a good job with this, you rarely see the item that's in the commercial, but you see the experience.