Terry Gross

So what else could President Trump do with an executive order?

Well, we have to take another short break here.

If you're just joining us, my guest is Richard Hasson.

He teaches law and political science at UCLA, where he's the director of the Safeguarding Democracy Project.

He's also the founder of the Election Law blog.

We'll be right back.

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Something I don't understand both about the SAVE Act, which has stalled in the Senate, and this talk of executive orders, it's going to be as hard for Republicans to register and vote as it will be for Democrats.

Some people say it will make it harder because there's more Republicans in rural areas that would have trouble getting to an official election place where you can prove your citizenship and therefore register.

So what's in it for Republicans?

What's in it for conspiracy theorists to advocate for changes in election law that would make it difficult for Republicans as well as Democrats?

How much genuine fraud is there really?

And when you compare the number of genuine fraudulent votes to the number of people who are disenfranchised by recent voting laws, who comes out ahead?

Getting back to Trump trying to get access to voting rolls from states and succeeding in some instances, Pam Bondi, the attorney general, tried to make a deal with Minnesota.

We'll pull out ICE in return for you turning over voter rolls.

What did you make of that when you heard it?

Well, let me reintroduce you.

If you're just joining us, my guest is Richard Hasson.