Terry Gross

Would you describe the conspiracy theory?

So can you be more specific about how this executive order, which we'll explain in a minute, ties in with this conspiracy theory about foreign interference in 2020 and 2024, leaving out, by the way, Russia, which really did try to interfere and which did have bots and stuff that were interfering with reality, with truth?

So tell us more about what's in this document that the Washington Post wrote about last week.

Even if you voted for decades, you'd still have to prove your citizenship with those documents.

And getting those documents sometimes requires, you know, writing to the city and, you know, asking for a copy of it.

Is there anything constitutional about any of this?

So if Trump issues a similar executive order, in order for that to not go into effect, it would have to go through the courts, which is a slow system.

And then it becomes a question of

Is there a stay that's put on that executive order or does it go through and then maybe get rescinded?

And I mean, I can imagine such chaos just in the court system.

So let me say then that election deniers want to totally remake the election system.

Let's look at who some of them were because there was also a meeting, a recent meeting that was convened by Michael Flynn, who was President Trump's first and very brief national security advisor.

And he's been accused of commiserating with Russians, right?

What would it mean to nationalize the elections?

And Trump has said he'd like to do that.

What do you think the odds are that President Trump would issue the kind of executive order that we're talking about?

Can I stop you there?

So in an attempt to protect the integrity of the election, they would be ruining it by confiscating the votes.

Well, I think another possible way of interfering would be to declare voting machines critical infrastructure.

I think they've already been declared that and use that as an opportunity to confiscate voting machines.