Terry Real

And the research is clear.

That's just not true.

I talk about we need grownups to teach children how to be grownups.

And, yeah, if you're a boy, you want to have a few men who you can look up to, who you can go, oh, yeah, I want to be like him.

Of course we need that.

And let's not get so obsessed about it that we disempower other people to be.

Some of my greatest mentors were women.

But there is something wonderful about guys going off and being guys, you know, Peggy Papp was a great family therapist, married to Arthur, I mean, Peggy Penn, married to Arthur Penn, the guy who did Bonnie and Clyde.

And she told a wonderful story about her husband.

Every Sunday he would go out with the same guys and play golf.

And he would come home and Peggy would say, what did she talk about?

And he'd go, you know, the lay of the green, what we're going to drink at the bar.

And one day Peggy said, she said to her husband, look, Arthur, I'm a gender expert.

I go around the world talking about, you know, next time you go off with your guys, I want you to come home and I want you to talk to me about

feelings, about depth, about something more than the goddamn lay of the grain, for Christ's sake.

She comes home a week later.

Yeah, I play golf.

What did you guys talk about?

Oh, honey.

Bill was incested by his nanny when he was four, and Harry lost his dog when he was three, and he never got over it.