Tessa Njunku

And, you know, the excuse would be, oh, but I saw that in this person.

Therefore, I think that it's right.

So it's such a part of, I think, kind of our social sexual discourse that it's hard to untangle from what's real and what's not.

For women, for young women in particular, how is porn now being received?

I think that's a really interesting question because when I was growing up, you know, I'd say like, you know, in the 2010s and stuff, the consensus at school at least was that boys would watch pornography and they would like it and that young girls wouldn't and that they would hate it.

And so not only was that such a huge overgeneralization, but you already saw kind of gender roles around sex be crystallized in that moment.

So we're really not moving the needle much.

Oh, there is.

It's massive.

You know, when I think about it, it's like, I think in January this year, there was this massive hockey show called Heated Rivalry.

And this, you know, American female-led, female-owned brand called Quinn, which is Audio Erotica, brought the co-stars on the show and had them narrate some, you know, stories.

And I mean, it exploded their downloads and like the amount of like people coming into the app.

And they've had some really high profile guests on it.

I think Andrew Scott did an episode as well.

But it's huge.

It's a huge market.

And it's just something that when it comes to female-led pornography, it's packaged so differently.

Like it's really just completely different.

You have, I think, apps like Belessa as well that's female-led and female-owned.

It's completely different just the way that I think sex is depicted.