Thomas Thatcher

This is really what the pattern is of the TACMAT, so to speak.

First of all, you have awareness and you say, okay, I'm on it.

I'm suffering.

And then you have to have the understanding and you have to say, why am I on it?

And for me, I was on it because I was getting a great payoff from not having to be responsible.

And then you've got to make a choice.

You're either going to stay on it and suffer, or you're going to make the choice to get off it.

And then when you get off it, it's a whole type of a renewal period where you go in and you say, okay, now I am ready to walk a new life with compassion and integrity and confidence.

And that's what had happened for me.

But it wasn't an easy process.

It took a long time.

I had to address my demons.

I had to really look at my stories.

And so I did a lot of writing in journals.

And I said, this is what I'm feeling and this is what I'm thinking and whatever.

And when I come back to those journals today, I go, wow, was I thinking that?

I can't believe it.

It seems so irrational.

But at the time, it seems so rational that I said, wow, yeah, this seems so logical.

And Morgan, people can justify doing anything, right?