Thorsten Ball
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first heard Sep 2025
last heard 25 Sep
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So having non-deterministic LLMs as the heart of your product is something unprecedented that we have in software, I think.
So with that in mind, a lot of the features what we see, you know, where people build like elaborate workflows, like I have my custom slash commands and they trigger custom sub-A.
And they in turn trigger custom MCP tool calls on behind which again another model is doing inference again and taking the input and blah, blah, blah.
I think a lot of this will and has resulted in hangovers where people realize, oh, like this looks like it's a deterministic workflow.
It looks like it does the thing that I want it to do, but actually I can't use it if it only does it in 98% of the time.
That's something we're really conscious of where I think everybody's experimenting, everybody's sharing the experiences, you know, the threadboard tweets about what to prompt, where and how.
But you have to be super strict about not giving users a false sense of what the product can do and how reliable it is, because I think it's dishonest in some way and it doesn't lead to good results.
And
You know, just as an example, I think of the last three months, I would say we're we're ahead of the curve, like using AMP eternally, like we're ahead of like the mainstream age agentic adoption, but like say a month or two where we've tried a lot of this stuff and then realized oh, this wasn't the best use of our time or the tokens.
And now you see a lot of other people um waking up to this like famous on Twitter, I mean
Roniker, the Python developer from Austria, he's done a lot of good stuff with Cloud Code and shared a lot of his learnings.
And you could see that uh the way he tweeted was super excited, like a lot of things.
I can now do this and this and this.
And then a month later it's like, oh, maybe, you know, having eight remote control agents that I control with my phone and let them run for twenty hours, maybe that's not as productive as
I thought it would be and yeah, it's something that we're super conscious about.
I think like one of the things is the whole vibe coding stuff where people just use it and you know they're like, hey, I spent 10 bucks in tokens and it didn't build me the full app or something.
The failure mode of outsourcing the thinking, but not the typing, which I think it should be the opposite.
You still have to know engineering, you still have to know how to program, you still have to know your application and its architecture, how it's deployed, and then basically use the
agent to do the work that you would have done, but you have to know what the desired outcome is and whatnot.
Like that's a common one where people just, you know, hands off the wheel, agent, you go and write this for me.
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