Thorsten Ball

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Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast · Amp: The Emperor Has No Clothes · 25 Sep 2025 podcast

So what we've seen people now do is, well, instead of having the client lock and having the browser log and having the database lock, let's have one unified lock, because then it's easier for the agent to just look at this lock and make sense of it.

And then it turns out it doesn't have to be nicely formatted.

It can be verbose.

You can just have like JSON line outputs and whatnot, because the agent can understand it much better than a human can.

And I think that's just this a little preview of more things that we will see where you're like, wait a second, this is not made for human consumption anymore.

How can we optimize this for agency consumption?

And then maybe the game changes.

Yeah, the world around us is also changing.

Uh uh Jose Valem, the creator of Elixir and you know contributor co-contributor Rails.

Can't remember the name, but basically they have a new framework tooling out that is Phoenix.

Yeah, it's for Phoenix, right?

But it's the the name of the I can't remember.

But it's it's about well, what if you build a framework for an agent too?

What if the agent is integrated into the framework so that you can if the application

fails to run you can ask the agent that has access to all of the context and

That's gonna be more and more, I think.

Like a lot of, you know, developers will build stuff because they're fed up with like copy and pasting stuff around.

So we're gonna see this in developer tools.

You know, we've been in developer tooling for a long time with Saucecraft.

And it's always been hard for the last say ten years to get a company to adopt a developer tool that does not immediately fit into their code base.

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