Tim Ferriss

with major depressive disorder, with alcoholism, through, like, NYU addiction, which, by the way, is not new.

We were doing this research with LSD in, like, the 50s.

Were we really?

Yeah, 50s and 60s.

And then once Nixon signed it off into Prohibition era, that all went away.

And there were a lot of political motivations behind that.

There was not a scientific reason for that.

It was more politically motivated.

But... the point being that...

I'm very excited about what the future holds for psychedelic-assisted therapies.

Um, but I've been most interested in the science.

Once it turns into, like, policy and politicking and grandstanding and befriending the right special interest groups... Yeah.

It's not... I have zero patience for that stuff.

I just can't.

I have a lot of trouble with it.

So, I prefer to just deal with the scientists.

And the practitioners.

Like, I've been very heavily involved with

groups like the Amazon conservation team and looking at indigenous land rights and really trying to the extent possible to support and reciprocate these groups who effectively gave the world these things that are now being medicalized, right?

I do think that's important.