Tim Ferriss

I do think that's really important.

especially since some of these folks operate in such hostile territories.

I mean, you've got, like, illegal mining interests.

You've got logging, agriculture, narcos.

Like, you know, these folks are routinely assassinated.

Indigenous leaders all over the place.

You look at Brazil, you look at Colombia, Mexico.

It's a very, very tough world that they inhabit in a lot of ways.

What got you interested in psychedelics to begin with?

I've always been interested in altered states of consciousness, ever since I was a little kid.

And I don't know exactly where that comes from.

I think it was just suspecting that there was, on some level, I think,

Researchers like Donald Hoffman, he's a buck and bronco.

He could have one.

But there was always part of me that kind of suspected that this was what we're looking at here and experiencing.

It's like a user interface.

It's like a desktop on a computer where it's like, okay, we have these icons and so on that represent something.

but that this is just one interface, right?

If we were a mantis shrimp or a different animal, like, it wouldn't look or feel like this, right?

So this is a reality, but it's not the end-all, be-all objective reality.