Tim Ferriss

Design Matters is her podcast.

It's been running even longer than mine.

And... when she came on my show, I had noticed in all my research she never really talked about her family.

And so I asked her before we started recording, I was like, would you be open to talking about your family at all?

I've noticed a huge glaring... omission.

And she was like,

Maybe.

She's like, you can try it.

And then if I'm open to it, we'll talk about it.

But if not, then not.

And we were friends.

And we got into it.

And she opened up for the first time really publicly about horrifying sexual abuse, like throughout her entire childhood.

And... It's crazy how many kids go through this.

Yeah.

It's awful.

And, I mean, the numbers are staggering.

So it's pervasive.

And so I asked Debbie if she would be open to having a conversation with me about how we've both tried to...

overcome or address this because she and i took very very very different paths and used very different tools and so we recorded the conversation and i told her advance i was like look debbie i don't know if i'm gonna ever publish this she was like that's totally fine and we recorded it eventually i was like all right here goes nothing