Tim Ferriss

Um, but I've been most interested in the science.

Once it turns into, like, policy and politicking and grandstanding and befriending the right special interest groups... Yeah.

It's not... I have zero patience for that stuff.

I just can't.

I have a lot of trouble with it.

So, I prefer to just deal with the scientists.

And the practitioners.

Like, I've been very heavily involved with

groups like the Amazon conservation team and looking at indigenous land rights and really trying to the extent possible to support and reciprocate these groups who effectively gave the world these things that are now being medicalized, right?

I do think that's important.

I do think that's really important.

especially since some of these folks operate in such hostile territories.

I mean, you've got, like, illegal mining interests.

You've got logging, agriculture, narcos.

Like, you know, these folks are routinely assassinated.

Indigenous leaders all over the place.

You look at Brazil, you look at Colombia, Mexico.

It's a very, very tough world that they inhabit in a lot of ways.

What got you interested in psychedelics to begin with?

I've always been interested in altered states of consciousness, ever since I was a little kid.