Tim Miller

And what are the chances?

Are you sure 82-year-old dementia riddled Trump won't do that?

Is it a 2% chance?

Is it 8%?

It's a lot higher than it was before.

It's not zero.

That's a dark irony because it was one of the things when you said earlier that like the one unifying thing of Trump his whole life back to the 80s is his love of tariffs.

He also was an anti-nuclear person back then, like in his pre days, like that was just one of the shticks he did to get attention.

And so it would be a good irony for him to be the one that's the cause of that.

The other thing is that in the way that Trump is erratic about all of this.

And so that's concerning, right?

It's like you can't.

You have to game out the options if 81-year-old Trump decides he wants to do something crazy to stay under power.

The Vance element of it also is relevant because you look at his successors and you think, man, they might not be as crazy as him, but in order to appease his people, they might need to feel like they're more ideologically America first and that we might not be able to rely on them for kind of a related but different reason.

I want to just really quick talk about immigration because you've talked about this quite eloquently in the past.

I just want to hear your riff because I guess we were on with Nicole maybe a couple weeks ago.

You were talking about the economic side of the immigration choices that this administration has made this year.

Catherine Appel, my colleague, posted something, I guess it was last night, about just the crazy impact on the construction industry and how nobody's pushing back.

She said that she called the National Association for Home Builders, which has been a source of her over years, so it's not like a cold call, and they refused to give a comment.

to her about this my buddy up in um sent me a text that he had dinner with a guy that's a big home builder who had been a trumper who is like apoplectic about the state of affairs who now has to buy ubers for all his staff to get to their work sites because they're all afraid even the ones who are illegal just wondering what you kind of make about the state of play there on the economic side