Tim Miller

Like the independent Trump voters hate this, like the newest people into the coalition.

A lot of people you talk to at Breaking Points, they hate this.

Okay.

Interesting part of the parsing, though, is when you look at people who say, I'm a MAGA Republican, they're like, hell yeah, 94%, whatever you want, Mr. Trump.

And people who just say, I'm a Republican, but I'm not MAGA, they're a little more skeptical.

I was interested in that because what that tells me is that the MAGA movement is actually like a lifestyle brand and that the people are in a cult and that...

They're not taking the facts into consideration.

It's just whatever Trump wants.

It's rah-rah Trump.

And I wonder if that's how you kind of assess the coalition at this point.

You sound like me talking about my people eight years ago.

Welcome to the... This is why I felt like we would get along so well.

I gave that same speech on multiple podcasts in 2017.

Oh, really?

Okay, good.

That's fair.

I guess my question for you, just to make it more precise, though, is like it seems to me like the America first movement is actually like vaporware and like the actual MAGA voters, like the core Trump voters are part of a lifestyle brand and an occult.

Yes.

And they'll do whatever Trump wants.

I'm agreeing with you.