Tim Ross

And he'll do it for fun in the evening, you know.

And then he'll give it to like Harry who's got the workshop like wherever it is, the end of Tasmania or the other end of the world it could be.

He'll make it and then you get back this thing.

Oh, yeah.

And there's energy everywhere.

There are these sparks of energy kind of pinging off even in the downstairs toilet.

There's a spark of energy coming off the toilet roll holder.

And I'm super envious of that because it's not like there's a warm glow of craftsmanship in the building, which is what you get with a lot of architecture.

Yeah.

It's like, whoa, it's like a symphony going on, you know, all the time.

Lots of little exciting little moments.

And of course, for him, this isn't a whimsy for him.

This is about keeping his relationship with makers alive.

All those collaborators love it because he's always asking them to do the hard, the difficult, the slightly impossible.

And thanking them for it.

And then they know that they have a relationship with him.

So it's keeping the relationship constantly moving in a way, which I think is interesting.

Yes.

Always a big design adventure.

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