Tim Urban

So it's both.

It's that these circumstances were one way, and this person came along at the right time, and those two made a match made in, in this case, hell.

I think it's probably a spectrum where there are some cases when a circumstance was such that something like what happened was going to happen.

If you pluck that person from the earth, I don't know whether the Mongols is a good example or not, but maybe it could be that if you plucked Genghis Khan as a baby, there was because of the specific way Chinese civilization was at that time and the specific,

you know, climate, you know, that was causing a certain kind of pressure on the Mongols and the way they still had their great archers and they had their horses and they had a lot of the same advantages.

So maybe it was like, it was waiting to happen, right?

It was going to happen either way and might not have happened to the extent or whatever.

So maybe, or you could go the full other direction and say, actually, this was probably not going to happen.

And, you know, I think World War II is an example.

I kind of think World War II really was kind of the work of, of course, it relied on all these other circumstances.

You had to have the resentment in Germany.

You have to have the Great Depression.

But like, I think if you take Hitler out, I'm pretty sure World War I, World War II doesn't happen.

Tom.

Also, Tom did it right.

At the time, we were like, oh, man, Tom only made like a few million dollars.

Ooh, sucks to not be Zuck.

Tom might be living a nice life right now where he doesn't have this nightmare that these other people have.

Um, and you know, there can be a little meeting of three people at Facebook and they come out and they come in, they come out of that meeting and make a decision that totally changes the world, right?

On the other hand, you see a lot of, a lot of conformity.