Tim Urban

But often they're all the, all the concentric circles are saying the same thing that people around you are feeling the same way that the broader community, which is feeling the same way as the broader country.

And, you know, I think this is why I think American patriotism is,

You know, nationalism, you know, can be tribal, can be very, not a good thing.

Patriotism, I think is a great thing because really what is patriotism?

I mean, it's, if you love your country, you should love your fellow countrymen.

You know, that's a Reagan quote.

It's like patriotism is like, I think a feeling of like unity and,

Um, and, but it also comes along with an implicit kind of concept of gratitude because it's like, we are so lucky to live in, you know, people, you know, think it's chauvinist to say we live in the best country in the world.

Right.

And, you know, yes, when Americans say that no one likes it.

Right.

But actually it's not a bad thing to think.

It's a nice thing to think.

It thinks it's a way of saying, I'm so grateful for all the great things this country gives to me and this country has done.

And I think if you heard a Filipino person say, you know what, the Philippines is the best country in the world, no one in America would say, that's chauvinist.

They'd say, awesome, right?

Because when it's coming from someone who's not American, it sounds totally fine.

But I think national pride is actually good.

Now, again, that can quickly translate into xenophobia and nationalism.

And so you have to make sure it doesn't go off that cliff, but.