Tim Wu

Is it free when you feel that you've had your vulnerabilities exploited?

I would say none of that's free.

You're poorer both in your own consciousness and in terms of what attention and your control over your life, and you're poorer probably in misspent money.

All right, I want to bring these out of theory, though, Corey.

I applaud how well-structured that was on the fly.

And have you both walked through this with an example that you use in your books?

Sure.

And, Corey, I want to start with you.

Walk me through how you see gentrification as having played out on Facebook itself.

Not all of meta, but Facebook.

Where it started when it was adding value to users in the early days to where you feel it has gone now.

Tell me your Facebook story.

Corey, you got a good rant there, my man.

I give you real props on that.

Corey could be a rapper if he decided to get into that line of business.

All right, let me ask you at least one question here so I'm not just too taken in by your charisma, which is to say, I think that the counterargument somebody would offer is, I think, two things.

One is...

For all the pivots, all the scams, by the way.

I mean, I was a publisher during the era of the Facebook firehose to publishers and the era of pivot to video when Facebook videos were getting these astonishing view counts.

And one, they kept first all the money.