TJ Holmes

Man, what she knows.

She says she only met Epstein once, I believe, and was so turned off by him, never saw him again.

And keep this one in mind as you continue here, to our listeners at least.

This is Epstein writing to Bill now.

So now this is a little different from if he's trying to hurt Gates' reputation by sending some lies to somebody else.

This is him talking directly to him.

Look, he deserves what?

The benefit of the doubt, he hasn't been accused of a crime, not under investigation.

It's just that this is... We deal with a lot of trials, Robes, and when you don't have clear-cut video evidence, DNA proof, smoking gun, circumstantial evidence can also get you convicted.

And the circumstances all collected together paint a difficult picture for him to just say, it's a liar and he was disgruntled.

Let's all go back to our business.

Oof.

Wasn't this a thing?

How long after?

I don't remember the Epstein stuff at the time.

It was just he had caught with an email or something, a staffer, somebody he was having an affair with, right?

I remember that, and then she divorced immediately.

Wasn't this like a really quick boom?

Divorce is done immediately.

Well, we have heard from Epstein.