TJ Perenara

Whether or not he's an open side flanker or a number eight at test level is interesting because he doesn't hit the rucks in the same way.

He's not maybe as effective in the way that the other open side flankers play, Brenner.

Artie's always kind of played Artie, hasn't he?

And then there are other people around him.

You kind of get the feeling that that's the way you've got to approach Lester.

You've got to have Lester playing as Lester.

He might not be something that everyone else is categorised into, and then you put the people around him to allow him to be Lester.

If you compare him to his days, and it's such a different model.