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Toby Bordelon

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
153 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

That's a problem.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

Worsening, overall margins are under serious pressure because the parts of the business that are growing, that they're investing in, are lower margin.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

They have to grow faster to offset the bottom line impact.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

toss-on concerns about the overall macro economy in China.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

And Baidu is just not that compelling to me.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

Now, you might say, look, hey, the thesis here is AI growth.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

I get that, maybe.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

But management is telling us, don't expect serious returns there anytime soon.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

So, we've got a declining core business, a low-margin growth business, and an uncertain future of what AI could, if it does become a meaningful growth driver here, what it could be, and how profitable it's going to be at scale.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

For me, the upside here is just not justifying the risk I see.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

Yeah, my big concern here is, you're right, there is potential.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

But big picture, if you have to be a lot more optimistic than management is being to make a reasonable bull case, I feel like that's a sign there are probably better opportunities elsewhere for your investment capital.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

Honestly, Jason, I'd stay away from both of them.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

Once upon a time, I actually had a very small investment in iQiyi, but I gave up on that when it was clear that this was going nowhere.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

Look, Baidu already owns 45% of that business.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

If you really, really want to invest in it, you could just do it that way.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

As it turns out, it's been terrible for

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

Baidu, too.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

It's been dragging them down at a time where they really don't need any other drags on their business, as we've already discussed here.

Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing
Bull vs Bear: Chinese Stock Showdown

IGE is losing money on an operating basis.