Tom Holland

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195 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 1 Jul

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On the Media · The Rest Is History · 1 Jul 2026 podcast

The degree of self-flagellation about the founding of America, the sense that slavery is the original sin, that slavery had accompanied the making of America, I think that is true. voice-verified

I don't think without that it would have been possible to generate the colonies and give it the prosperity that it did. voice-verified

At the same time, the horrors that are consequent on this do generate the process of abolitionism that today has come to be taken for granted across the world. voice-verified

I think it is important to try and think yourselves back into the shoes of people for whom the notion that slavery was an institutional wrong would have been unthinkable. voice-verified

It's bred out of this world, this notion, and it's come to seem so obvious to most of us today, I mean to almost all of us, that we cannot imagine not thinking it. voice-verified

And yet it was more than possible. voice-verified

People completely took it for granted. voice-verified

I think that certain aspects will not go away because Trump has been successful because he understood, I would guess, kind of instinctively. voice-verified

He has a kind of... voice-verified

feral intelligence i mean he's not an intellectual he senses it in the way that a stoat might kind of sense a wounded bird and goes for it his mastery of social media his ability to control narratives which is obviously kind of evident in um voice-verified

you know, the kind of the prehistory before the internet, you know, his fascination with wrestling, which is, you know, kind of scripted, but pretending not to be scripted. voice-verified

His fascination with reality TV and TV generally. voice-verified

I mean, he kind of... It was in his bones. voice-verified

He was the person who was perfectly equipped by his upbringing, by his instincts, to go for the jugular with the opportunity that social media presented. voice-verified

And what he has done with that is a lesson that will be... voice-verified

people will be kind of drawing on for decades and decades to come because it's obviously not going to go away. voice-verified

I also think that his character, his unbelievable rudeness, the violent quality of his statements, the... voice-verified

The everyday language that he uses to frame that, that also has established a template for how to succeed in American politics that, again, is simply not going to go away. voice-verified

But I also just think he is better at it than Farage or Orban or Le Pen or anyone else that you would want to compare it to. voice-verified

I think one of the ways in which you can measure the consequential character of an actor in world history is if they have an ism named after them and people talk about it seriously. voice-verified

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