Tom McKenzie

And NVIDIA investing in OpenAI and in response to that, OpenAI committing to buying a certain number of chips from NVIDIA.

Those circular financing deals, as they've been described by some, have also caused some concern as all of these companies become increasingly enmeshed and intertwined in terms of their deals and their investments on what is a bet on the future and how the future evolves.

We can cross over now to Turin where, of course, our Tom McKenzie speaking to David Solomon, the interview of the day.

Here it is.

What a wonderful conversation.

Also with, I have to say, a spitting set.

It's not something that you see every day.

Tom McKenzie there speaking with our Goldman Sachs, well, the Goldman Sachs chief executive, David Solomon, at Time Tech Week.

They talked about the Fed.

They talked about tech and some of, of course, the things that we should be watching out for.